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01/20/2022 10:15 AM House ENERGY

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10:16:24 AM Start
10:17:09 AM HB227
11:11:16 AM Adjourn
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*+ HB 227 MUNI ENERGY IMPROVEMNT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
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        HB 227-MUNI ENERGY IMPROVEMNT ASSESSMENT PROGRAM                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:17:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SCHRAGE announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  227, "An  Act relating  to municipal  energy and                                                               
resilience improvement assessment programs;  and providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 10:17 a.m.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[During the at-ease, Chair Schrage passed the gavel to                                                                          
Representative Claman.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:18:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SCHRAGE,  as   prime  sponsor,  presented  HB   227.    He                                                               
paraphrased  the sponsor  statement  [included  in the  committee                                                               
packet], which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Property Assessed Clean Energy  (PACE) is an innovative                                                                    
     financing mechanism  that enables owners  of commercial                                                                    
     and industrial  properties to obtain fixed  rate, long-                                                                    
     term  financing  through  private  lenders  for  energy                                                                    
     efficiency and  renewable energy  projects and  pay the                                                                    
     costs back over time  through a voluntary assessment on                                                                    
     the  property  tax.  PACE  attaches  the  loan  to  the                                                                    
     property, rather than the borrower.  If the property is                                                                    
     sold, the loan  transfers to the new  owner. With lower                                                                    
     energy  costs,  building  owners unlock  positive  cash                                                                    
     flow   for   their   businesses  and   increase   their                                                                    
     buildings' value from day one.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Passed in  2017, the  statute allows  local governments                                                                    
     to create and manage  C-PACE programs. The Municipality                                                                    
     of  Anchorage launched  the  state's  first program  in                                                                    
     April 2021.  Other regions are interested  in launching                                                                    
     a  program and  are  reviewing administration  options.                                                                    
     While    program    administration   is    offset    by                                                                    
     administrative fees,  staff capacity is  still required                                                                    
     to  maintain  the   program  and  review  applications.                                                                    
     Alaska's statute  is based  on Texas's  C-PACE statute.                                                                    
     Based  on  the  growing success  of  C-PACE,  lawmakers                                                                    
     around the country  are adding new eligible  uses of C-                                                                    
     PACE.   Several   statutory   clean-ups   will   ensure                                                                    
     efficient  statewide  promulgation   and  will  greatly                                                                    
     facilitate   investment   in    our   building   stock,                                                                    
     especially  at  a  time when  economic  development  is                                                                    
     needed most.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 227 aims to expand C-PACE in Alaska by:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     1. Allowing new construction financing                                                                                     
     2. Allowing Resiliency projects                                                                                            
     3. Allowing C-PACE refinancing                                                                                             
     4.  Considering  Market  Values  rather  than  assessed                                                                    
     values                                                                                                                     
     5. Eliminating the Savings-to-Investment Ratio (SIR)                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     HB  227 changes  serve the  common goal  of creating  a                                                                    
     large,  thriving and  active  C-PACE  market, which  in                                                                    
     turn  will  benefit  Alaskans.  These  amendments  were                                                                    
     developed  in  coordination  with the  Municipality  of                                                                    
     Anchorage  and the  Alaska Energy  Authority using  the                                                                    
     best practices  & lessons learned  in the Lower  48. In                                                                    
     all cases,  C-PACE assists  property owners  in dealing                                                                    
     with  the  up-front  cost  of  property  upgrades  that                                                                    
     create a public benefit.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     HB 227 will help  municipalities and boroughs statewide                                                                    
     achieve   the   greatest  overall   environmental   and                                                                    
     economic development  benefits at  no cost to  state or                                                                    
     local governments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:20:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 10:20 a.m. to 10:21 a.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[During the at-ease Representative Claman passed the gavel back                                                                 
to Chair Schrage.]                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:21:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SHAINA KILCOYNE,  Energy and Sustainability Manager,  Solid Waste                                                               
Services,  co-presented a  PowerPoint [hardcopy  included in  the                                                               
committee  packet],  titled "Alaska  C-PACE."    She stated  that                                                               
commercial  property   assessed  clean   energy  (C-PACE)   is  a                                                               
government  policy which  supports  commercial energy  efficiency                                                               
and  renewable  energy  projects  as   a  public  benefit.    She                                                               
explained  that the  state  statute passed  in  2017 allowed  the                                                               
program to be created.  The  C-PACE program is led by an advisory                                                               
committee  headed by  the Alaska  Energy Authority.   She  stated                                                               
that local  municipalities had a difficult  time implementing the                                                               
program until  a substantial loan  was received from  the federal                                                               
government.   The federal  funding helped  hire firms  [listed on                                                               
slide 2] to  create a market study and program  design, and since                                                               
2019 C-PACE in Alaska has made advancements.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:23:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE LUCAS-CONWELL, Portfolio Manager,  49th State Angel Fund,                                                               
co-presented  the  PowerPoint,  titled   "Alaska  C-PACE."    She                                                               
addressed  slide 3,  titled  "What makes  C-PACE  special?"   She                                                               
explained the  six points listed  on the slide: (1)  C-PACE helps                                                               
avoid upfront  costs and barriers,  as an investment can  be made                                                               
without any upfront money, and hard  and soft costs can be rolled                                                               
into  the   loan;  (2)  C-PACE  creates   long-term,  fixed-rate,                                                               
nonrecourse  financing  which  aligns   with  the  main  goal  of                                                               
reducing the  risks to all  parties involved; (3)  C-PACE funding                                                               
is tied  to the  property and the  liens are  transferable, which                                                               
helps avoid an  uncertainty barrier and risks to  lenders; (4) C-                                                               
PACE is a  priority lien, and other lien holders  must consent to                                                               
the  assessment in  writing; (5)  C-PACE  increases the  property                                                               
value  over  the  long  term with  [clean  energy]  upgrades  and                                                               
improvements; (6)  C-PACE requires  projects to "pencil  out" and                                                               
be cashflow positive from day one.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:28:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL  stated that  C-PACE  is  not a  new  program,                                                               
noting  37  states  plus  Washington   DC  have  adopted  similar                                                               
programs,  [as seen  on  slide 4].    She highlighted  nationwide                                                               
statistics from 2019 which show  the program has resulted in over                                                               
$2 billion  in investments, 25,000 commercial  projects, and over                                                               
24,000 jobs.  She noted  that this [activity] has created various                                                               
examples and resources  for new programs.  She  continued that C-                                                               
PACE  is an  important  source of  [financing] for  improvements,                                                               
deferred  maintenance, and  projects which  may have  run out  of                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:29:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL, moving to [slide 5], explained that since C-                                                                 
PACE  was launched  in Anchorage  there have  been ongoing  talks                                                               
with  other   municipalities,  including   the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough, which has passed a resolution  of intent for C-PACE.  To                                                               
facilitate the  creation of  the program  in Alaska  the advisory                                                               
committee   has  helped   with  market   information  and   other                                                               
challenges.   She  referenced the  ongoing effort  to standardize                                                               
the program to simplify the process  and create lower costs.  She                                                               
explained  that a  completed application  has  not been  received                                                               
from a  property owner yet  because the  program is new,  and "it                                                               
takes time for  people to learn about the  program and understand                                                               
it."   From observations  in the Lower  48, she  speculated there                                                               
would not  be a  big influx of  [participation] within  the first                                                               
two years.  She pointed  out that there are six-to-seven projects                                                               
"in the pipeline" for the Anchorage area.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL, moving  to  [slide  6], outlined  eligibility                                                               
requirements.  She  explained that, per statute, the  role of the                                                               
program administrators  is to ensure  the property and  its owner                                                               
are eligible.   To  be eligible  the property  owner must  be the                                                               
legal  record  holder,  have  up-to-date  mortgage  and  property                                                               
taxes, and not be in bankruptcy  proceedings.  She added that the                                                               
property must  be an existing  commercial or  industrial property                                                               
and  privately  owned.    She continued  that  the  project  must                                                               
"pencil out" with SIR, which  includes a 20 percent loan-to-value                                                               
ratio.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:33:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL,  advancing  to  [slide 7],  pointed  out  the                                                               
various  types  of improvements  which  are  eligible for  C-PACE                                                               
financing.    Improvements  considered  are  those  which  reduce                                                               
energy costs and help repay the  loan.  She stated that according                                                               
to  the  recent  Anchorage  Energy  Landscape  and  Opportunities                                                               
Analysis,  a conservative  estimate for  cost-effective retrofits                                                               
for private commercial and industrial  facilities could result in                                                               
savings of 20 percent, with  an operation and maintenance savings                                                               
of 5  percent.  She noted  that in terms of  the investment these                                                               
loans would be paid back within an estimated seven years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:35:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  moved to slide  8, which addressed  delinquency and                                                               
default of C-PACE liens.  She  stated that C-PACE liens are prior                                                               
and  paramount  to  all  liens except  municipal  tax  liens  and                                                               
special   assessments.     Municipalities  are   responsible  for                                                               
reporting  the assessment,  billing,  and  remitting the  correct                                                               
portion of  the payment to  the lender, but  municipalities would                                                               
not be  guaranteeing the collection  of funds.   In the  event of                                                               
delinquency,   the    municipalities   would    follow   existing                                                               
proceedings and  not be required to  repay the lender.   Once the                                                               
property  is sold,  the loan,  penalties, and  interest would  be                                                               
sold  with it.   She  noted that  nationally there  have been  no                                                               
foreclosures as a result of a delinquent C-PACE assessment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  advanced to slide 9.   In reference to  HB 227, she                                                               
pointed out  that changes  over the past  10 years  reinforce the                                                               
need  for the  proposed amendments.   She  noted many  states are                                                               
reporting  statutory changes  in their  programs.   She expressed                                                               
the belief that the changes  in the amendments would bring Alaska                                                               
in  alignment with  other states.   Continuing  to slide  10, she                                                               
related  that  in  25  states  C-PACE  now  makes  loans  on  new                                                               
construction, which  represents around  half of  the transactions                                                               
in  the  last two  years.    She  said Alaska  replicated  Texas'                                                               
statute, and Texas is working  to include new construction in its                                                               
program.   She indicated  there have  been inquiries  [in Alaska]                                                               
about the new construction of  "very large projects."  She argued                                                               
that allowing  loans for new construction  would offer developers                                                               
opportunities for  financing beyond traditional debt.   Loans for                                                               
new   construction  would   facilitate   more  energy   efficient                                                               
buildings  and align  with the  intent  of [HB  227] by  reducing                                                               
energy  consumption,  costs,  and  emissions.    She  added  that                                                               
expanding  the program  to include  new construction  would offer                                                               
new tax revenue.   She provided some examples  of program changes                                                               
to include  new construction.   She stated that,  consistent with                                                               
the current  program, only certain  energy saving  measures would                                                               
be allowed  for C-PACE financing.   She noted that  these details                                                               
are still being worked out.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:39:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  pointed out that  current market trends  use C-PACE                                                               
financing for resiliency projects,  such as seismic improvements,                                                               
fire hardening,  [and other  projects listed on  slide 11].   She                                                               
maintained that impacts from the  climate, earthquakes, and other                                                               
disasters could  be mitigated  by improving  building resiliency.                                                               
She  conceded  these types  of  projects  could have  significant                                                               
upfront  costs,  but they  could  prevent  major property  damage                                                               
during  disasters,  helping  communities rebound  quicker.    She                                                               
expressed  the belief  that  Alaska could  benefit  from a  broad                                                               
application  and authorization  of  resiliency retrofits,  giving                                                               
individual jurisdictions the ability  to offer retrofits relevant                                                               
to their regions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  stated that the  language change shown on  slide 12                                                               
would  define "finances"  and "financing"  to explicitly  include                                                               
refinancing throughout  the statute.   She pointed out  that [the                                                               
expanded definitions]  would enable  an eligible  property owner,                                                               
who  previously   used  C-PACE,   to  refinance   an  outstanding                                                               
assessment  lien.   This would  also  allow a  property owner  to                                                               
refinance  the cost  if the  improvements have  already begun  or                                                               
have been  completed.  She  expressed the belief that  the change                                                               
would support the intent of the original legislation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:42:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   RAUSCHER  questioned   whether  the   [proposed]                                                               
legislation   would  give   Alaska   [C-PACE]   the  ability   to                                                               
retroactively fund projects, or whether  this can be done without                                                               
[new  amendments].   He noticed  Alaska  is not  included in  the                                                               
eight  states  listed.   He  questioned  whether the  legislation                                                               
being discussed would put Alaska on the list.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:44:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SCHRAGE,  clarifying Representative  Rauscher's  question,                                                               
requested that  Ms. Kilcoyne explain the  reason Alaska currently                                                               
does not allow retroactive financing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE  responded  that  [retroactive  financing]  is  not                                                               
explicit in the  original statute.  She stated  that the [program                                                               
administrators]   are  seeking   more   direction  with   updated                                                               
language,  and [retroactive  financing]  is viewed  as the  "best                                                               
practice" in the Lower 48.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SCHRAGE  shared the understanding  that this would  free up                                                               
additional  capital for  further  investments in  these types  of                                                               
properties.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   RAUSCHER  asked   for   confirmation  that   the                                                               
legislation would allow Alaska "to be part of the list."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SCHRAGE responded that that is his understanding.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE  offered her  opinion that  the amendments  could be                                                               
even more explicit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:46:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN requested an  explanation of the 49th State                                                               
Angel Fund's active involvement with the legislation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL  responded  that  she and  Ms.  Kilcoyne  work                                                               
jointly at  C-PACE as part of  their regular jobs.   Based on her                                                               
experience with private capital  providers, she explained she was                                                               
asked by  the municipality to help  with the effort.   She stated                                                               
that this is a staff-time management issue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN,  with a follow-up question,  expressed the                                                               
understanding that  the 49th  State Angel  Fund is  involved with                                                               
start-up  enterprises  based  in   Alaska,  and  federal  funding                                                               
enables it to  pick investments.  He questioned  whether the fund                                                               
has been investing in C-PACE.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL  responded  that  the 49th  State  Angel  Fund                                                               
investments are  completely separate from C-PACE  financing.  The                                                               
49th  State Angel  Fund makes  equity  venture investments,  and,                                                               
from that aspect, it is completely  separate.  She stated that C-                                                               
PACE programs  collaborate mostly  with private  capital lenders,                                                               
such  as the  Northrim Bank  and other  nationwide lenders.   She                                                               
stated that, as  opposed to investing activities,  she is lending                                                               
her time to  C-PACE from a staffing perspective.   In response to                                                               
a follow-up  question, she  reiterated that  she is  only lending                                                               
her expertise to the program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:49:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN suggested  that a flow diagram  of the [C-                                                               
PACE] process  would be  helpful.   He related  the understanding                                                               
that the financing  would be connected to  the building structure                                                               
as opposed to the owner.  He questioned the default process.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE, in terms of  a [C-PACE] default, responded that the                                                               
property owner would be at risk,  not the municipality.  She went                                                               
on to explain that the financing  is private and would be between                                                               
the lender  and the  property owner.   She  stated that  if there                                                               
were a  default, the municipality  would go through  its "typical                                                               
processes"  and,  if  the  building is  sold,  whoever  buys  the                                                               
building  would  be  buying  the  lien  and  be  responsible  for                                                               
arrears.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE, in  response to  a follow-up  question, reiterated                                                               
that the municipality would not be  at risk.  She stated that the                                                               
entire process is to de-risk the loan.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:52:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE,  referencing slide 13, reiterated  that the current                                                               
maximum  financing may  not  exceed 20  percent  of the  assessed                                                               
value  of the  property  at the  time of  the  application.   She                                                               
argued  this  [restriction]  limits large  projects  which  could                                                               
ultimately increase  the assessed  value.   She gave  the example                                                               
that the cap  for a building assessed at $10  million would be $2                                                               
million for  C-PACE financing.   She  stated that  this financing                                                               
may not  work for a large  project.  She explained  that the tax-                                                               
assessed  value tends  to  be less  than the  market  price of  a                                                               
property;  thus,   using  the  market   value  allows   for  more                                                               
flexibility  in  capturing  the   value  of  improvements.    She                                                               
continued that  upgrades would be  better captured using  the "as                                                               
built" value,  and a  25 percent  maximum financing  would better                                                               
align with industry standard.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE, advancing  to slide  14, stated  that the  maximum                                                               
length of  an assessment  is currently 20  years.   She explained                                                               
that  many financed  improvements have  at least  a 30-year  life                                                               
expectancy, which is the industry  standard.  She stated that, in                                                               
general,  SIR does  not  capture all  the  program's benefits  to                                                               
property  owners,  and she  gave  examples.   She  expressed  the                                                               
opinion  that the  metric used  by capital  writers to  measure a                                                               
property owner's  credit worthiness would  be a better  test than                                                               
SIR.   She  added that  if new  construction and  resiliency were                                                               
allowed in C-PACE, SIR would not  be applicable.  She offered her                                                               
opinion that lengthening the assessment  to 30 years and removing                                                               
SIR would be positive changes.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE,  in conclusion, moved  to slide 15 which  listed C-                                                               
PACE's website, links to presentations, and contact information.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:56:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 10:56 a.m.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:56:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN questioned  how  C-PACE  would be  better                                                               
than the lending process outside of the program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE responded that C-PACE  offers benefits which include                                                               
long-term  financing, fixed  rates, and  prioritized liens.   She                                                               
explained that C-PACE  loans come "above" other  loans, and, once                                                               
taxes and assessments  are paid, risks would be  eliminated.  She                                                               
added that  because the  loan is  transferable, the  lender would                                                               
know  that  the  future  property   owner  would  take  over  the                                                               
payments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL, in  further response,  expressed the  opinion                                                               
that there  are risks with these  types of loans, but  having the                                                               
municipalities facilitate the process  reinforces the value.  She                                                               
expressed  the  opinion that  adding  new  construction, per  the                                                               
proposed amendments,  would increase  the visibility  of building                                                               
improvements  to the  capital providers  that  are not  currently                                                               
participating in the program.   She stated that the programs have                                                               
been successful because of energy  savings and energy efficiency,                                                               
which  is especially  relevant with  Alaska's high  energy costs.                                                               
She  concluded that  the program  offers  capital providers  more                                                               
security when underwriting these type loans.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN  questioned   whether  procuring  a  loan                                                               
through C-PACE  would transfer risk  to the original lender.   He                                                               
speculated that since the original  loan would be "bumped behind"                                                               
the  C-PACE loan,  the  original lender  would  write clauses  to                                                               
prevent this from happening.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE  responded  that  the  initial  lender  will  often                                                               
perceive  the loan  as  a  risk and  be  resistant  to signing  a                                                               
consent  which "bumps"  its loan  down;  however, she  speculated                                                               
that  the  initial lender  would  see  the  benefits once  it  is                                                               
observed  that projects  are happening,  the value  of properties                                                               
are  increasing, and  the borrower,  with more  tenants and  less                                                               
cost,  is in  a  better  position with  immediate  revenue.   She                                                               
asserted that  patience is needed  because "they  eventually come                                                               
around and see that."  She  conceded this will be a problem until                                                               
"we get this going."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:02:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SCHRAGE asked  whether a  commercial property  owner would                                                               
have  to have  consent  from the  original  lender before  taking                                                               
advantage of C-PACE financing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE  responded  that  the  original  lender  would  get                                                               
"bumped"  in  the  lien  position because  C-PACE  would  be  the                                                               
"higher" lien, and  the borrower would have to  have consent from                                                               
the original lender.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL  added that this is  the case only if  there is                                                               
an  active mortgage.   If  the mortgage  has been  repaid on  the                                                               
property,  the  original  mortgage   holder  would  not  need  to                                                               
consent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:03:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN, with a follow-up  request, asked that the                                                               
committee be supplied with a linear sequence of the program.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:03:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN commented that, in  terms of the risk, if a                                                               
property owner  wants a  C-PACE loan,  the property  owner cannot                                                               
force the  original lender to take  this on.  He  reiterated that                                                               
the original lender would have to consent to the loan.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE  responded  in   the  affirmative,  explaining  the                                                               
importance  of the  benefits being  shared to  both the  property                                                               
owner and the original lender.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  speculated that the mortgage  holder would                                                               
need  to analyze  whether  the  value of  the  property would  be                                                               
strengthened and whether the mortgage would be paid.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE responded in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:05:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  questioned whether it is  in the statute                                                               
that  the original  mortgage holder  has  rights [concerning  the                                                               
borrower's access to C-PACE financing].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE expressed  the belief that this is in  statute.  She                                                               
continued  that this  is the  [mortgage] industry's  practice and                                                               
has  not  heard  of  any   program  that  does  not  include  the                                                               
[mortgage]  industry's  consent.    She  stated  that  she  would                                                               
further research the answer.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:05:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  questioned which investors  participate in                                                               
the programs in the country.   He questioned whether local banks,                                                               
large institutional  investors, or private equity  firms would be                                                               
participating.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LUCAS-CONWELL  responded  that  there  are  private  lenders                                                               
nationwide  which  have  a  specialty in  C-PACE  loans.    These                                                               
lenders are familiar  with the process and often  will have their                                                               
own services, such  as energy audits for  potential customers and                                                               
guidance through the program.  She  noted that, while there is no                                                               
stipulation on the firms that  can participate, no private equity                                                               
firms have come forward.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KILCOYNE added  that  the  local banks  are  slower to  show                                                               
interest,  but Northrim  Bank  is an  "exciting"  addition.   She                                                               
stated  that there  is a  list of  institutions in  the Lower  48                                                               
which follow C-PACE markets.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:08:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS questioned  whether public  entities, such                                                               
as school districts, could benefit from the program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE responded that, per  statute, the loan would need to                                                               
be to a private recipient.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS, with  a follow-up  question, asked  why a                                                               
public entity could not participate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KILCOYNE responded that she  had not heard of public entities                                                               
being a part of C-PACE, but the topic could be investigated.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCAS-CONWELL,  adding to the  response, stated that  the tax                                                               
assessment  on  the  property would  be  complicated  for  public                                                               
institutions.   She advised that  there would be  questions about                                                               
the current lien holders and the financing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS expressed  understanding concerning the tax                                                               
issue.   He added that  the Anchorage School District  is falling                                                               
behind by  $30 million  every year  for deferred  maintenance for                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:10:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SCHRAGE  thanked the  speakers.  He  announced that  HB 227                                                               
was held over.                                                                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 227 MOA CPACE Presentation 1.20.22.pdf HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HENE 1/20/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 Sponsor Statement 1.20.22.pdf HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HENE 1/20/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 Version I.PDF HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HENE 1/20/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 CPACE Sectional 1.20.22.pdf HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HENE 1/20/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 227
HB 227 DCCED CRA Fiscal Note.pdf HCRA 3/3/2022 8:00:00 AM
HENE 1/20/2022 10:15:00 AM
HB 227